So, either Logitech is getting away with highway robbery, or we are buying disposable razors?
Not to sound like a dick, but I feel like you were way to soft in this one. If the thing is scratching you, why does it almost get the same ratings as the Logitech's? That seems like a massive design flaw.
Logitech's are over priced pieces of junk, and the Perixx's are disposable razors. Neither are really a solution to the problem, they are just two bad products for a Niche that up until now hasn't seen much attention.
If you tell them they suck, they might start paying attention. :)
The Microsoft N9Z-00001 is $25 and kills everything in this list. It doesn't have backlit keys, but it does last a year on two AA batteries making the K8xx presumably lithium battery unnecessary.
What really bothers me about all the HTPC keyboards now is the lack of Bluetooth for interference-free long range use, and a dedicated sleep button.
I have the Microsoft keyboard, and while quantitatively it's quite good (media/shortcut keys, trackpad gestures), qualitatively I don't like it at all. The keys are mushy, the trackpad isn't a Precision Touchpad for some unfathomable reason, and of course it doesn't connect with Bluetooth.
It's a $25 keyboard of course the keys are mushy, but granted the key "feel" on the Logitech is snappier (it's a thicker keyboard.) The nail in the coffin is the caps, though. My correction rate on stepped keys is very high.
With some tweaking the trackpad can be quite good. Turn off "enhance pointer precision" and it doesn't feel so floaty.
The Microsoft Media keyboard is far from perfect, but I think its substantially better than the K400 in every respect.
I just got the MS keyboard as well and I agree. It looks better than the K400 but it's quite a lot worse when you actually use it. The track pad is simply erratic in comparison, and because the buttons are underneath, I find it awkward and uncomfortable to click as my finger always hits the plastic rim instead. Keys are ok-ish. The only thing that's better than the K400 is the layout (larger keys on the right side, helps if you type for longer).
I have the MS keyboard as well. I've had it for quite some time and while it looks nice, it's pretty bad and I wouldn't recommend it. The keys are squishy and the trackpad horrible, at least on linux. They've also designed the pad so that it has that upside-down "natural" scroll and the settings aren't configurable in linux because it doesn't use a standard touchpad driver. The reception on the receiver doesn't seem to be that great either, but I know the 2.4Ghz band here is a bit congested. Not a great piece of tech by any means.
I have microsoft keyboard N9Z-00001 and I am looking for another wireless keyboard like k830 and tk820. Because MS keyboard dosen't have 'home' and 'end' key. Even software can not set up these function. MS keyboard set up soft ware only set few functions. mostly not necesary for using PC. If you use MS keyboard for Smart TV, It could be good choise. Cheap, bettery last long, sturdy, light. But When you use this for PC, you will find another keyboard. Think about how many times you need to use 'Home' and 'End' button. Also difficult to use 'Screen cap' function. You can only customize for 'f4' and another 3buttons(4 buttons) but each button can be customized for specific functions..(sorry for my poor english). and still 'FN' key set up is very bad.
Funny how my Logitech MX1000 mouse from 2004 is still working fine and lasts over a week between charges. I think I paid $60 for that overpriced piece of junk.
A HTPC keyboard without backlight = no-go. But I really dont get your guys arguing over this. There are enough very good keyboards for HTPCs out there. I am using a mini one from Rii. It has been working for 5 years now, 4.5 years longer than my Logitech diNovo Mini.
One of my favorite HTPC input devices is the Gyration media remote. The only huge downside is that it isn't made anymore, and it commands a hefty price tag on eBay -- upwards of $75 and in varying condition. Its advantage is that it can serve as a WiiMote-like mouse, which is nice when you end up back on the Windows desktop.
Of course, that's not a keyboard. I've always been a bit fond of Logitech's PS3 Media Board as a HTPC keyboard. It uses Bluetooth, so it works great with a USB port-starved device like the NUC. Although, BT devices don't work outside Windows, which means you need another keyboard for BIOS tweaking. Also, since the keyboard was designed for the PS3, it lacks a Windows key. For my normal HTPC (not a NUC), I'm using a K400. Typing isn't much fun, but it works.
Microsoft All-in-One Media Keyboard would probably be a contender as well. I prefer to type with it, compared to the Logitech K400. On the other hand, I prefer the Logitech because it has normal function keys and, with the help of the Fn-modifier, it is also possible to press the Print Screen key, which functions as the sys req key in Linux distributions.
The Logitech models reviewed here seem to be similar to the Microsoft keyboard, regarding the above mentioned design choices. The Microsoft keyboard could be a good and less expensive alternative for them.
Well, the article says about fullsize being a requirement, but I still prefer the Lenovo N5902 for HTPC. The main reason is one-handed mouse operations with KB fallback (like when you need to type a movie name). My only problems: no BT option and the finger tracking has some issues (didn't think of finding a pattern, like maybe damp fingers, but just be specific, I keep away food-dirty fingers)
I've been a fan of the Logitech Dinovo Mini (it goes by a few names) originally made for the first Google TV or something. Cost about $50, very small, passable keyboard and mouse, backlit, flip cover turns device off when closed, rechargeable: http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Wireless-Mini-Keybo...
For an HTPC used as a media center, it's great. I wouldn't want to do a lot of work on the thing, but it's an HTPC, so I shouldn't be doing that, anyway. It's enough to get into some deep OS settings menu and muck about if needed, but at home if you mostly just want arrow keys and enter, and hitting a single letter. If you're looking for gaming or productivity, look elsewhere.
Really, the only thing better I've seen is the Boxee remote that D-link did, but it died with the box and wasn't backlit.
K830 has a very good backlit keyboard. At least I am able to use it with no issues. It automatically turns off the lighting after a few moments though. I am happy that it does since it saves battery, but I could see how it may bother other people. I am not sure if its an adjustable setting or not.
Do a Google image search on "Thinkpad travel keyboard". Thinkpad keyboards are often regarded as the best in the business, are they not? Personally I wouldn't look any further. Unfortunately, these days, the keyboards are squarely targeted at trackpoint users and don't feature a touchpad anymore. They do offer wired and Bluetooth options though.
There is an older version with a larger palmrest, which might still be available, and an even older "Ultranav travel keyboard" that also includes a touchpad. I use the latter for my HTPC. It is sturdier than the later one, but you'll only get it on eBay now.
I find the ones with the larger palmrest ideal for use on the lap (haven't tried the latest). The trackpoint is also great for gaming, with the probable exception of FPS "twitch" games. It's like a little joystick. You never run out of space compared to a touchpad.
The stepped keys especially suck. The last OEM to manufacture stepped keyboards was HP (although they were actually made by Chicony) who discontinued using them after 2009, yet Logitech continues using them through the K4xx series. The K8xx are a huge improvement key-cap wise. But for the price you might as well just get a $25 Microsoft Media Keyboard with the same specs minus backlighting and AA batteries that last a year.
I don't mind the stepped keys so much as that right shift key. That thing is awful for a touch typist. Getting a ? mark into my work is brutal. Not something I thought about before buying.
I own the Logitech TK820. The keyboard is awesome. The trackpad is awful. I often use the keyboard paired with a mouse because the trackpad is just useless.
I know, it's laughable. The diNovo Edge continues after a decade to be the best HTPC keyboard and it hasn't even been in production for 5 years! When I see one refurbished or on eBay I snatch them up and they still command nearly $100 used because of how desirable they are.
That was an era when Logitech was quality-focused. Look at the original G15 keyboard, G35 racing wheel, diNovo-series, and the amazing Z5450 THX-certified speaker system with the wireless rear channel speakers. Now they just make crap, it's like they're intentionally holding out because WE KNOW they can do better. They have.
I had the backlighting fade on mine in <2 years, but that's pretty normal considering it's on 24/7 and LED's are rated at 20,000 hours (9600 hours in a year?)
It doesn't help they are blue, either. It'd be less noticeable they were fading if they were white.
But I guess my point about the G15 wasn't so much quality (although that's what I said :\) but more about what it was: the first mainstream gaming keyboard of its kind. That LCD was my primary desk clock for years, and the Battlefield 2 plugin was amazingly useful, as were the macro keys. It was a great keyboard for what it was.
Lol. It was the first mainstream backlit keyboard, I don't think an led backlight timeout was on their minds. Besides, I've only ever seen backlight timeout on laptops or battery operated keyboards...
I've had mine and it saddens me that the touchpad is temperamental these days. I've been disappointed with the lack of quality alternatives to replace it. Guess I'll stick with it for now.
I've run the intro and so I've seen the Logitech K830. I 'owned' this keyboard and, although it looks nice, feels nice, plus works as intended it's a really poor keyboard. I actually prefer the Surface Pro type keyboard and that's saying something.
I have a TK820. I wouldn't recommend it because of the trackpad. It's very unreliable, worse than most bad notebook trackpads. The surface area is large which is nice, but it has too many false readings.
Personally I would look at bluetooth keyboard/trackpad combinations sold for tablets. I use one sourced from Amazon and it is very good from the sofa. They tend to be cheap and build quality can be variable but far better, for my purposes, than the models reviewed
The Perixx 716 was one of the worst HTPC keyboards I've tried, and I've tried many. It has terrible range and the stepped keys deliver a crappy typing experience. The Logitech K400 has the same crap keys, which is why I am shocked Genesh thinks this is the "gold standard" for HTPC keyboards. If he is basing that recommendation on price, the Microsoft Wireless All-In-One Media Keyboard N9Z-00001 is nearly identical spec at $25; a better all-around keyboard than the Logitech K400.
It's unfortunate that nearly a decade after it was released, the diNovo Edge (Logitech) is to me the GOLD standard HTPC keyboard, having virtually every conceivable option right down to a dedicated sleep button and Bluetooth (REAL 30ft interference-free range without it cutting in and out.)
It's only problem is it isn't made anymore. Being a decade old design, it also lacks modern technologies like multitouch gestures for scrolling (although the 'circlepad' is workable for scrolling.)
I've been using the k830 for a year now. I haven't found any cons in that year. The battery lasts a long time even with the back light on. It works great using your right thumb as the mouse and left pointer finger for left click when you are holding the keyboard with two hands. Typing on it works even on my lap. I would recommend it to anybody looking for an HTPC keyboard, and don't buy it for $99, I got mine for $75 on sale.
All I really want is someone to improve on the Logitech K400.
Strengths: -Power button and several other useful function buttons right on top. One press of the power button, and my HTPC is awake -Inexpensive, though I would pay more
Weaknesses: -Key layout is cramped. I'd pay more for a layout that matches my usual keyboard, and I'd be fine if this extended the width 1-2". -Trackpad buttons are weak; I'd pay a bit more for ones built stronger
In short, I just want an improved revision of the K400 with a bit more standard layout that's built tougher, and as one last like, I'd love the tap-to-click not even exist, as it has been more of a pain. I've disabled it, but it hasn't always remained disabled. I'd easily pay double the $25 I paid for the K400 to get one with a bit more quality to it.
It has a light sensor so that the backlight does not come on during the day or when the lights are on.
The battery life is awesome, for my use on my HTPC in the living room, the battery lasts for months at a time. I've had it for almost a year now and I've only charged it a handful if times.
The backlighting is great in the dark and it has been dropped several times without taking any damage. So durability is good too.
I would recommend it to anyone for living room use. It may be expensive, but you get what you pay for, a really great functional experience.
Cideko Wireless Air Media. Had it for many years. The range is a bit restrictive if you are going through glass or objects. Otherwise it is small and once you get used to the directing of it, it is nice.
Wanted to edit my post to say full size keyboards are crap for HTPCs, its all about having a small form factor to operate and be able to place into a coffee table drawer. I am not about having a hulking lumbering keyboard floating around and yes anything over 4" x 8" is hulking. If you can type on a smartphone you can type on that footprint.
I used the K400 for over a year and could hardly stand it. A slightly undersized keyboard is one of the dumbest designs possible. It should either be significantly smaller than standard key-spacing, or not at all!
I've now had the TK820 for over a year, and it's much better. The larger size is well worth it. As has been mentioned, the trackpad could be better, and the wireless range is barely adequate. It works, and I can type on it. Not perfect, but I'm content with it.
I personally think that any smartphone can be a good to great HTPC keyboard/controller. There are dozens of free apps that can control your HTPC by wifi. Kodi has dedicated apps and most work just great. Time for a software review perhaps?
> All of the presented units could do with an upgrade to operation in the 5 GHz band.
I was actually surprised that there really are a few devices operating at 5GHz; however I'd definitely always go for bluetooth since that is the only stable option for me, Logitech unifying sucks rocks although I'm living in one of the few not 2.4GHz starved areas...
I'm using a K810/T630 combo and I don't think anything can top that in usability and WAF (wife acceptance factor) plus I can have several pairings and easily switch it which is quite handy every now and then... I Would even go for a nice keyboard/touchpad all-in-one device but the available ones with Bluetooth truly suck.
None of these are good enough to replace my Rapoo E6700. It may be Bluetooth but it lasts an age, is really comfortable to use and has handy gestures to control Windows 8+ easily. It's also sturdy as a rock as my nephews are quite physical with it and it still works flawlessly.
Hopefully Microsoft's moves to use the XBONE for HTPC purposes instead of Windows doesn't stop people making these kind of high quality peripherals (bad apples excluded ofc).
I've been using the K830 for about five months now and have plugged it in to charge perhaps three times so far despite using it as my main keyboard. If I have a gripe it's that something to prop it up with would be nice, but aside from that I'm very happy. I picked it up in January sales for just over £60 after being hesitant to pay full price, though looking back I'd have been happy to pay a little more if I'd had a test run first.
The keyboard is an identical layout to an 11.3" Asus, so it was familiar and comfortable. (UK model, anyway)
An interesting point about the function keys - in full screen games alt+F4 works just fine without the extra key press. I'm guessing this is just a software fix, so an option in the drivers as to which defaults would be nice. (I'll have a look to see if there's one already)
You can always ask for design improvements like a full aluminium chassis, Bluetooth or some kind of stand, but hey. What I'd really like is a 3.5mm jack to make listening to things quietly easier, but I'm probably in the minority there.
I have the K830. It is a wonderful keyboard. I have a laptop hooked up to my TV and it performs extremely well. The range is great and I have yet to have to recharge it after five months of use. The keys feels fine to use, the backlit keys are even throughout and the mousepad is a pleasure to use. I hate most logitech products but the K830 exceeded my expectations for my personal use. That said, I would always wait for it to go on sale before buying it. It's too expensive at its non-sale price
May I suggest trying out "controller companion" and a wireless 360 controller? I'm using this for my HTPC now (also use steam in home streaming to play games on it from my main pc)
I have the K400, and find that, despite the lightweight feel, the durability is incredible. I've dropped it dozens of times and it just keeps working!
I also have a Bluetooth keyboard from Microsoft: http://techgage.com/article/microsoft_wireless_ent... While dated (no backlit keyboard), it has mouse capability and media functions built directly into the keyboard. For an HTPC build, it's easily worth about $100. I also use it with my PS3.
Yes, I have one K400, but the two newer ones i have are K400r, designed for Windows 8, and have all the F keys on fn+key and their standard functions set to useless gesture controls etc. Such a shame.
I am using a Logitech KT400r wireless touchpad keyboard that I purchased for about $35. It is not perfect, but I have been using it for about 2 years without changing the batteries.
CommandFusion is another option, but most people will have to program it themselves. With something like EventGhost, the CommandFusion route is easily one of the best (IMHO) - despite having to program it yourself. http://www.commandfusion.com/index.php
Why anyone would get a special HTPC keyboard instead of just using a tablet or smartphone is beyond me.
But hey, it's your 50-150$, crowded living room table, and abused 2.4-5 ghz bandwidth!
Surely even people who usually prefer a regular keyboard, can live with a smartphone/tablet keyboard for the four letters you'd need to type out before selecting "Star Trek" on Netflix?
The K830 is the best money I have spent. Im not sure why you would want any other keyboard on this list unless you really craved a track ball over a multi touch track pad (said no one ever).
I have had the luxury of owning the 400r, 820 and 830.
I purchased the 400r for my home theater but found it difficult to see in dim lighting so I moved it to a seldom used rack PC that I did not want cluttered with a large wired keyboard.
I purchased the TK820 to use on my home theater PC. I like the size of its touchpad and overall weight and quality build. I return it within 48hours. I absolutely hated this keyboard. The deal breaker is the unified touchpad with integrated left and right buttons. These designs are dismal for those who do any type of click-and-drag movement of items on a desktop. Pushing the corner of the touchpad often causes the cursor to go off in some type of geriatric palsy twerk causing movement of items and other missed targets with the pointer. OMG I hated this keyboard within 5 minutes. Give me separate distinct left and right trackpad buttons to click and hold and do not affect the mouse pointer when pressed. I despise laptops using this design as well.
I purchased the K830 for the home theater and LOVE this keyboard. It is backlit, not too large, has good weigh and build quality, and has separate trackpad buttons!!!! I've had it for a few months and it has never gone dead. I recharged it after 3 months just in case. I say home theater loosely as I actually have a 2 channel tri-amped setup with Martin Logan Prodigy electrostats and a custom JBL 2242H Sub. The K830 controls the i5 based PC perfectly as I play FLAC and SACD 24/192 digital files through the Xonar Essence STX sound card DAC. This keyboard works well dragging files from a 2012R2 Xeon server to Foobar2000 playlists or running XBMC/Kodi Media player. I love the volume control buttons above the trackpad. Well done.
The K830 doesn't support four finger multi-touch, only two finger. Seems pretty ridiculous for Logitech's flagship keyboard when the older TK820 model did support it. It may be short sided to get it if your using it for windows use as Microsoft keeps hinting at more OSX clone gestures for Windows 10. That being said I'm also not a fan of the keyboard portion of the TK820.
What's wrong with three finger drag? Everyone seems to hate it and praise the two buttons on the K830.. I think it's fair to say anyone not using tap to click is a ham-fisted simpleton.
I just bought a new Logitech K830 and I noticed that there are 2 models: the old 920-006081 and newer 920-007182. The newer version support a different set of keys like the Back, Home, and Running apps keys of Android. It's also worth pointing out that the newer version supports Bluetooth.
The Back, Home, and Running Apps keys also work with Windows. They act as Back (like Alt+left arrow key), Home, and Running Programs (like pressing Alt+Tab). Technically, the newer K830 model can be used with a PC and Android (through Bluetooth or OTG cable + receiver). I haven't tested it with an iOS device.
There must be a huge mark-up because when some major retailers have a sale, ie: BestBuy the K830 sells for under $59. The K820's full retail price at my local BestBuy is $99, which is the same as the regular price of the K830. I think if review sites were to make an effective review that exploits all of the negative aspets of a a product, with the intent to that destroys the products credibility, pointing out just what a piece of crap it is, the ultimate reaction of alot of readers would be to avoid those models, and maybe even that brand, at all costs. What some of the higher premium of Logitech products DOES buy , based on my long term experience as a user, is excellent customer service when any of their products fail. They send out replacements without any resistence or contention. Of course I need to verify proof of purchase, but that's expected. They even allowed me to change/upgrade to a different mouse when my anywhere MX failed for the 3rd time from a mushy unresponsive button. I'm more apt to make compromises when I buy a product when I get good service after the sale but the keyboard is something that I will require quality to be good. Backlighting shoulg be automatic on any keyboard over $50 US Dollars, wired or wireless. What gets me sometimes is that one a feature on a previous model is well received, or highly regarded, why does the successor have to be DOWN-graded? I am referring to the way the k830's layout is so cramped and typing a letter or email is worst than the K820 due to the unappealing feel. Alot of keyboard with the same features can be bought for alot less than some of Logitech's offerings. I'm not hapy about the fact that Logitech has built many keyboards, and for great feel and quiet typing, I like the K800, size and layout, I like the K820, for the appearance the k810 and lastly, the options and touchpad with notebook like button that resemble the Lenovo thinkpads I like the K830. But Logitech doesn't know how to unify those more preferred elite features into 1 single keyboard.Instead, they give you only 1 or 2 things to satisfy and entice and I've had to endure those compromises that would otherwise make the keyboard I am using truly a great option. All keyboards, in order to qualify as top of the line offerings, should be backlit, with excellent key travel that is balanced, tried, and true, long battery life, flexiblility that allows a bluetooth or proprietary receiver. There is a way to achieve this but I still have not found many keyboards that meet ALL my requirements
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Salvor - Monday, May 11, 2015 - link
Disappointing to me that none of these are left-handed or least ambidextrous, but such is life shopping for peripherals as a lefty.superflex - Tuesday, May 12, 2015 - link
Visit the Leftorium in Springfield.Ned Flanders, proprietor.
Ilmarinen - Friday, May 15, 2015 - link
website: www.stupidflanders.comRefuge - Monday, May 11, 2015 - link
So, either Logitech is getting away with highway robbery, or we are buying disposable razors?Not to sound like a dick, but I feel like you were way to soft in this one. If the thing is scratching you, why does it almost get the same ratings as the Logitech's? That seems like a massive design flaw.
Logitech's are over priced pieces of junk, and the Perixx's are disposable razors. Neither are really a solution to the problem, they are just two bad products for a Niche that up until now hasn't seen much attention.
If you tell them they suck, they might start paying attention. :)
Samus - Monday, May 11, 2015 - link
The Microsoft N9Z-00001 is $25 and kills everything in this list. It doesn't have backlit keys, but it does last a year on two AA batteries making the K8xx presumably lithium battery unnecessary.What really bothers me about all the HTPC keyboards now is the lack of Bluetooth for interference-free long range use, and a dedicated sleep button.
jann5s - Monday, May 11, 2015 - link
+1, the microsoft keyboard could have bin in this review as well.And i'm looking forward to the new razor turret, but that has not been released yet
ClockworkPirate - Monday, May 11, 2015 - link
I have the Microsoft keyboard, and while quantitatively it's quite good (media/shortcut keys, trackpad gestures), qualitatively I don't like it at all. The keys are mushy, the trackpad isn't a Precision Touchpad for some unfathomable reason, and of course it doesn't connect with Bluetooth.Samus - Monday, May 11, 2015 - link
It's a $25 keyboard of course the keys are mushy, but granted the key "feel" on the Logitech is snappier (it's a thicker keyboard.) The nail in the coffin is the caps, though. My correction rate on stepped keys is very high.With some tweaking the trackpad can be quite good. Turn off "enhance pointer precision" and it doesn't feel so floaty.
The Microsoft Media keyboard is far from perfect, but I think its substantially better than the K400 in every respect.
alexrw - Wednesday, May 13, 2015 - link
I just got the MS keyboard as well and I agree. It looks better than the K400 but it's quite a lot worse when you actually use it. The track pad is simply erratic in comparison, and because the buttons are underneath, I find it awkward and uncomfortable to click as my finger always hits the plastic rim instead. Keys are ok-ish. The only thing that's better than the K400 is the layout (larger keys on the right side, helps if you type for longer).johnny_boy - Friday, May 15, 2015 - link
I have the MS keyboard as well. I've had it for quite some time and while it looks nice, it's pretty bad and I wouldn't recommend it. The keys are squishy and the trackpad horrible, at least on linux. They've also designed the pad so that it has that upside-down "natural" scroll and the settings aren't configurable in linux because it doesn't use a standard touchpad driver. The reception on the receiver doesn't seem to be that great either, but I know the 2.4Ghz band here is a bit congested. Not a great piece of tech by any means.Mushin - Friday, May 15, 2015 - link
I have an older model of this Lenovo Keyboard and find the Trakpoint superior to a Touchpad and/or Trackballhttp://www.amazon.com/ThinkPad-Compact-Bluetooth-K...
Yoo - Tuesday, October 20, 2015 - link
I have microsoft keyboard N9Z-00001 and I am looking for another wireless keyboard like k830 and tk820. Because MS keyboard dosen't have 'home' and 'end' key. Even software can not set up these function. MS keyboard set up soft ware only set few functions. mostly not necesary for using PC. If you use MS keyboard for Smart TV, It could be good choise. Cheap, bettery last long, sturdy, light. But When you use this for PC, you will find another keyboard. Think about how many times you need to use 'Home' and 'End' button. Also difficult to use 'Screen cap' function. You can only customize for 'f4' and another 3buttons(4 buttons) but each button can be customized for specific functions..(sorry for my poor english). and still 'FN' key set up is very bad.superflex - Tuesday, May 12, 2015 - link
Funny how my Logitech MX1000 mouse from 2004 is still working fine and lasts over a week between charges.I think I paid $60 for that overpriced piece of junk.
Beaver M. - Wednesday, May 13, 2015 - link
Back then Logitech actually still had quite a few good products in that branch. I still have a MX510 from 2004. Nowadays... not so much.Beaver M. - Wednesday, May 13, 2015 - link
A HTPC keyboard without backlight = no-go.But I really dont get your guys arguing over this. There are enough very good keyboards for HTPCs out there. I am using a mini one from Rii. It has been working for 5 years now, 4.5 years longer than my Logitech diNovo Mini.
Aikouka - Monday, May 11, 2015 - link
One of my favorite HTPC input devices is the Gyration media remote. The only huge downside is that it isn't made anymore, and it commands a hefty price tag on eBay -- upwards of $75 and in varying condition. Its advantage is that it can serve as a WiiMote-like mouse, which is nice when you end up back on the Windows desktop.Of course, that's not a keyboard. I've always been a bit fond of Logitech's PS3 Media Board as a HTPC keyboard. It uses Bluetooth, so it works great with a USB port-starved device like the NUC. Although, BT devices don't work outside Windows, which means you need another keyboard for BIOS tweaking. Also, since the keyboard was designed for the PS3, it lacks a Windows key. For my normal HTPC (not a NUC), I'm using a K400. Typing isn't much fun, but it works.
SleepModezZ - Monday, May 11, 2015 - link
Microsoft All-in-One Media Keyboard would probably be a contender as well. I prefer to type with it, compared to the Logitech K400. On the other hand, I prefer the Logitech because it has normal function keys and, with the help of the Fn-modifier, it is also possible to press the Print Screen key, which functions as the sys req key in Linux distributions.The Logitech models reviewed here seem to be similar to the Microsoft keyboard, regarding the above mentioned design choices. The Microsoft keyboard could be a good and less expensive alternative for them.
mathew7 - Monday, May 11, 2015 - link
Well, the article says about fullsize being a requirement, but I still prefer the Lenovo N5902 for HTPC. The main reason is one-handed mouse operations with KB fallback (like when you need to type a movie name). My only problems: no BT option and the finger tracking has some issues (didn't think of finding a pattern, like maybe damp fingers, but just be specific, I keep away food-dirty fingers)at80eighty - Monday, May 11, 2015 - link
One of the main issues I face while interfacing with my Kodi box, is struggling to type in a darkened room.Yet to come across a decent backlit HTPC keyboard
icrf - Monday, May 11, 2015 - link
I've been a fan of the Logitech Dinovo Mini (it goes by a few names) originally made for the first Google TV or something. Cost about $50, very small, passable keyboard and mouse, backlit, flip cover turns device off when closed, rechargeable: http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Wireless-Mini-Keybo...For an HTPC used as a media center, it's great. I wouldn't want to do a lot of work on the thing, but it's an HTPC, so I shouldn't be doing that, anyway. It's enough to get into some deep OS settings menu and muck about if needed, but at home if you mostly just want arrow keys and enter, and hitting a single letter. If you're looking for gaming or productivity, look elsewhere.
Really, the only thing better I've seen is the Boxee remote that D-link did, but it died with the box and wasn't backlit.
Gigaplex - Monday, May 11, 2015 - link
Dinovo Mini came out 2008, Google TV was 2010.bhaberle - Tuesday, May 12, 2015 - link
K830 has a very good backlit keyboard. At least I am able to use it with no issues. It automatically turns off the lighting after a few moments though. I am happy that it does since it saves battery, but I could see how it may bother other people. I am not sure if its an adjustable setting or not.FH123 - Monday, May 11, 2015 - link
Do a Google image search on "Thinkpad travel keyboard". Thinkpad keyboards are often regarded as the best in the business, are they not? Personally I wouldn't look any further. Unfortunately, these days, the keyboards are squarely targeted at trackpoint users and don't feature a touchpad anymore. They do offer wired and Bluetooth options though.There is an older version with a larger palmrest, which might still be available, and an even older "Ultranav travel keyboard" that also includes a touchpad. I use the latter for my HTPC. It is sturdier than the later one, but you'll only get it on eBay now.
I find the ones with the larger palmrest ideal for use on the lap (haven't tried the latest). The trackpoint is also great for gaming, with the probable exception of FPS "twitch" games. It's like a little joystick. You never run out of space compared to a touchpad.
mr_tawan - Monday, May 11, 2015 - link
Finally Logitech gets its layout right on HTPC keyboards. K400r was horrible in arrow-keys placement.Samus - Monday, May 11, 2015 - link
The stepped keys especially suck. The last OEM to manufacture stepped keyboards was HP (although they were actually made by Chicony) who discontinued using them after 2009, yet Logitech continues using them through the K4xx series. The K8xx are a huge improvement key-cap wise. But for the price you might as well just get a $25 Microsoft Media Keyboard with the same specs minus backlighting and AA batteries that last a year.wymaan - Monday, May 11, 2015 - link
I don't mind the stepped keys so much as that right shift key. That thing is awful for a touch typist. Getting a ? mark into my work is brutal. Not something I thought about before buying.colinstu - Monday, May 11, 2015 - link
Wish one of these had a numpad on it.Samus - Monday, May 11, 2015 - link
For a media center keyboard?Sork2015 - Monday, May 11, 2015 - link
I own the Logitech TK820. The keyboard is awesome. The trackpad is awful. I often use the keyboard paired with a mouse because the trackpad is just useless.Uxi - Monday, May 11, 2015 - link
I think I have had my logitech Dinovo Edge for over 10 years now. These new keyboards don't seem to be an improvement over my old champion.Samus - Monday, May 11, 2015 - link
I know, it's laughable. The diNovo Edge continues after a decade to be the best HTPC keyboard and it hasn't even been in production for 5 years! When I see one refurbished or on eBay I snatch them up and they still command nearly $100 used because of how desirable they are.That was an era when Logitech was quality-focused. Look at the original G15 keyboard, G35 racing wheel, diNovo-series, and the amazing Z5450 THX-certified speaker system with the wireless rear channel speakers. Now they just make crap, it's like they're intentionally holding out because WE KNOW they can do better. They have.
BillyONeal - Monday, May 11, 2015 - link
I wouldn't exactly call the original G15 a high quality product considering I've had 2 die on me. YMMVSamus - Monday, May 11, 2015 - link
I had the backlighting fade on mine in <2 years, but that's pretty normal considering it's on 24/7 and LED's are rated at 20,000 hours (9600 hours in a year?)It doesn't help they are blue, either. It'd be less noticeable they were fading if they were white.
But I guess my point about the G15 wasn't so much quality (although that's what I said :\) but more about what it was: the first mainstream gaming keyboard of its kind. That LCD was my primary desk clock for years, and the Battlefield 2 plugin was amazingly useful, as were the macro keys. It was a great keyboard for what it was.
Gigaplex - Monday, May 11, 2015 - link
The backlight doesn't turn off when the keyboard is idle? Poor design.Samus - Monday, May 11, 2015 - link
Lol. It was the first mainstream backlit keyboard, I don't think an led backlight timeout was on their minds. Besides, I've only ever seen backlight timeout on laptops or battery operated keyboards...Gigaplex - Monday, May 11, 2015 - link
I've had mine and it saddens me that the touchpad is temperamental these days. I've been disappointed with the lack of quality alternatives to replace it. Guess I'll stick with it for now.Gigaplex - Monday, May 11, 2015 - link
That should read "I've had mine for about 8 years".damianrobertjones - Monday, May 11, 2015 - link
I've run the intro and so I've seen the Logitech K830. I 'owned' this keyboard and, although it looks nice, feels nice, plus works as intended it's a really poor keyboard. I actually prefer the Surface Pro type keyboard and that's saying something.SuperVeloce - Monday, May 11, 2015 - link
So it ticks all the right boxes, but it's a poor keyboard. Can you elaborate?peterfares - Monday, May 11, 2015 - link
I have a TK820. I wouldn't recommend it because of the trackpad. It's very unreliable, worse than most bad notebook trackpads. The surface area is large which is nice, but it has too many false readings.cjs150 - Monday, May 11, 2015 - link
Personally I would look at bluetooth keyboard/trackpad combinations sold for tablets. I use one sourced from Amazon and it is very good from the sofa. They tend to be cheap and build quality can be variable but far better, for my purposes, than the models reviewedder - Monday, May 11, 2015 - link
Keyboard lyfeSamus - Monday, May 11, 2015 - link
The Perixx 716 was one of the worst HTPC keyboards I've tried, and I've tried many. It has terrible range and the stepped keys deliver a crappy typing experience. The Logitech K400 has the same crap keys, which is why I am shocked Genesh thinks this is the "gold standard" for HTPC keyboards. If he is basing that recommendation on price, the Microsoft Wireless All-In-One Media Keyboard N9Z-00001 is nearly identical spec at $25; a better all-around keyboard than the Logitech K400.It's unfortunate that nearly a decade after it was released, the diNovo Edge (Logitech) is to me the GOLD standard HTPC keyboard, having virtually every conceivable option right down to a dedicated sleep button and Bluetooth (REAL 30ft interference-free range without it cutting in and out.)
It's only problem is it isn't made anymore. Being a decade old design, it also lacks modern technologies like multitouch gestures for scrolling (although the 'circlepad' is workable for scrolling.)
Why has nothing been made to its caliber since?
jabber - Monday, May 11, 2015 - link
For a minute there I thought this was a retrospective article on the Sinclair QL computer from the early 80's!BillyONeal - Monday, May 11, 2015 - link
It saddens me to see Anandtech apply scores to things.megadirk - Monday, May 11, 2015 - link
I've been using the k830 for a year now. I haven't found any cons in that year. The battery lasts a long time even with the back light on. It works great using your right thumb as the mouse and left pointer finger for left click when you are holding the keyboard with two hands. Typing on it works even on my lap. I would recommend it to anybody looking for an HTPC keyboard, and don't buy it for $99, I got mine for $75 on sale.LoneWolf15 - Monday, May 11, 2015 - link
All I really want is someone to improve on the Logitech K400.Strengths:
-Power button and several other useful function buttons right on top. One press of the power button, and my HTPC is awake
-Inexpensive, though I would pay more
Weaknesses:
-Key layout is cramped. I'd pay more for a layout that matches my usual keyboard, and I'd be fine if this extended the width 1-2".
-Trackpad buttons are weak; I'd pay a bit more for ones built stronger
In short, I just want an improved revision of the K400 with a bit more standard layout that's built tougher, and as one last like, I'd love the tap-to-click not even exist, as it has been more of a pain. I've disabled it, but it hasn't always remained disabled. I'd easily pay double the $25 I paid for the K400 to get one with a bit more quality to it.
meacupla - Tuesday, May 12, 2015 - link
Try a Microsoft media keyboard.kgh00007 - Monday, May 11, 2015 - link
I have the K830 and it's awesome!It has a light sensor so that the backlight does not come on during the day or when the lights are on.
The battery life is awesome, for my use on my HTPC in the living room, the battery lasts for months at a time. I've had it for almost a year now and I've only charged it a handful if times.
The backlighting is great in the dark and it has been dropped several times without taking any damage. So durability is good too.
I would recommend it to anyone for living room use. It may be expensive, but you get what you pay for, a really great functional experience.
zachrohlfs - Monday, May 11, 2015 - link
Cideko Wireless Air Media. Had it for many years. The range is a bit restrictive if you are going through glass or objects. Otherwise it is small and once you get used to the directing of it, it is nice.zachrohlfs - Monday, May 11, 2015 - link
Wanted to edit my post to say full size keyboards are crap for HTPCs, its all about having a small form factor to operate and be able to place into a coffee table drawer. I am not about having a hulking lumbering keyboard floating around and yes anything over 4" x 8" is hulking. If you can type on a smartphone you can type on that footprint.Anandtech you are better than this review.
DCide - Monday, May 11, 2015 - link
It depends on your usage and personal priorities.I used the K400 for over a year and could hardly stand it. A slightly undersized keyboard is one of the dumbest designs possible. It should either be significantly smaller than standard key-spacing, or not at all!
I've now had the TK820 for over a year, and it's much better. The larger size is well worth it. As has been mentioned, the trackpad could be better, and the wireless range is barely adequate. It works, and I can type on it. Not perfect, but I'm content with it.
Margalus - Monday, May 11, 2015 - link
I don't type on my smartphone. I speak into my phone and it types for me....A 4x8 keyboard might be ok for a 1 year old. But for an adult, no. It needs to be a somewhat full size keyboard that can be typed on.
Jakall78 - Monday, May 11, 2015 - link
I personally think that any smartphone can be a good to great HTPC keyboard/controller. There are dozens of free apps that can control your HTPC by wifi. Kodi has dedicated apps and most work just great. Time for a software review perhaps?Daniel Egger - Monday, May 11, 2015 - link
> All of the presented units could do with an upgrade to operation in the 5 GHz band.I was actually surprised that there really are a few devices operating at 5GHz; however I'd definitely always go for bluetooth since that is the only stable option for me, Logitech unifying sucks rocks although I'm living in one of the few not 2.4GHz starved areas...
I'm using a K810/T630 combo and I don't think anything can top that in usability and WAF (wife acceptance factor) plus I can have several pairings and easily switch it which is quite handy every now and then... I Would even go for a nice keyboard/touchpad all-in-one device but the available ones with Bluetooth truly suck.
Samus - Monday, May 11, 2015 - link
Yeah, Bluetooth is hands down the best. It never cuts in/out and staggers like Unifying receivers, and coexists well with Wifi traffic.DeathReborn - Monday, May 11, 2015 - link
None of these are good enough to replace my Rapoo E6700. It may be Bluetooth but it lasts an age, is really comfortable to use and has handy gestures to control Windows 8+ easily. It's also sturdy as a rock as my nephews are quite physical with it and it still works flawlessly.Hopefully Microsoft's moves to use the XBONE for HTPC purposes instead of Windows doesn't stop people making these kind of high quality peripherals (bad apples excluded ofc).
ahjones - Monday, May 11, 2015 - link
Sinclair QLmeacupla - Tuesday, May 12, 2015 - link
No microsoft or rapoo?M4stakilla - Tuesday, May 12, 2015 - link
Tablet + Kodi + Yatse is all I need / want...I don't see any advantage in having a silly keyboard around my sofa...
Primum - Tuesday, May 12, 2015 - link
I've been using the K830 for about five months now and have plugged it in to charge perhaps three times so far despite using it as my main keyboard. If I have a gripe it's that something to prop it up with would be nice, but aside from that I'm very happy. I picked it up in January sales for just over £60 after being hesitant to pay full price, though looking back I'd have been happy to pay a little more if I'd had a test run first.The keyboard is an identical layout to an 11.3" Asus, so it was familiar and comfortable. (UK model, anyway)
An interesting point about the function keys - in full screen games alt+F4 works just fine without the extra key press. I'm guessing this is just a software fix, so an option in the drivers as to which defaults would be nice. (I'll have a look to see if there's one already)
You can always ask for design improvements like a full aluminium chassis, Bluetooth or some kind of stand, but hey. What I'd really like is a 3.5mm jack to make listening to things quietly easier, but I'm probably in the minority there.
bhaberle - Tuesday, May 12, 2015 - link
I have the K830. It is a wonderful keyboard. I have a laptop hooked up to my TV and it performs extremely well. The range is great and I have yet to have to recharge it after five months of use. The keys feels fine to use, the backlit keys are even throughout and the mousepad is a pleasure to use. I hate most logitech products but the K830 exceeded my expectations for my personal use. That said, I would always wait for it to go on sale before buying it. It's too expensive at its non-sale pricertho782 - Tuesday, May 12, 2015 - link
May I suggest trying out "controller companion" and a wireless 360 controller? I'm using this for my HTPC now (also use steam in home streaming to play games on it from my main pc)http://store.steampowered.com/app/367670/
DLimmer - Tuesday, May 12, 2015 - link
I have the K400, and find that, despite the lightweight feel, the durability is incredible. I've dropped it dozens of times and it just keeps working!I also have a Bluetooth keyboard from Microsoft: http://techgage.com/article/microsoft_wireless_ent...
While dated (no backlit keyboard), it has mouse capability and media functions built directly into the keyboard. For an HTPC build, it's easily worth about $100. I also use it with my PS3.
rtho782 - Tuesday, May 12, 2015 - link
Yes, I have one K400, but the two newer ones i have are K400r, designed for Windows 8, and have all the F keys on fn+key and their standard functions set to useless gesture controls etc. Such a shame.piasabird - Tuesday, May 12, 2015 - link
I am using a Logitech KT400r wireless touchpad keyboard that I purchased for about $35. It is not perfect, but I have been using it for about 2 years without changing the batteries.djellison - Wednesday, May 13, 2015 - link
Nothing on the range of these? For an HTPC keyboard, isn't that a major major issue? It is with the Logitech one I have right now.wiyosaya - Thursday, May 14, 2015 - link
CommandFusion is another option, but most people will have to program it themselves. With something like EventGhost, the CommandFusion route is easily one of the best (IMHO) - despite having to program it yourself. http://www.commandfusion.com/index.phpV900 - Friday, May 15, 2015 - link
Why anyone would get a special HTPC keyboard instead of just using a tablet or smartphone is beyond me.But hey, it's your 50-150$, crowded living room table, and abused 2.4-5 ghz bandwidth!
Surely even people who usually prefer a regular keyboard, can live with a smartphone/tablet keyboard for the four letters you'd need to type out before selecting "Star Trek" on Netflix?
msabercr - Friday, May 15, 2015 - link
The K830 is the best money I have spent. Im not sure why you would want any other keyboard on this list unless you really craved a track ball over a multi touch track pad (said no one ever).MxxCon - Monday, May 18, 2015 - link
I wonder how these keyboards compare to Lenovo N5902MHz Tweaker - Monday, May 25, 2015 - link
I have had the luxury of owning the 400r, 820 and 830.I purchased the 400r for my home theater but found it difficult to see in dim lighting so I moved it to a seldom used rack PC that I did not want cluttered with a large wired keyboard.
I purchased the TK820 to use on my home theater PC. I like the size of its touchpad and overall weight and quality build. I return it within 48hours. I absolutely hated this keyboard. The deal breaker is the unified touchpad with integrated left and right buttons. These designs are dismal for those who do any type of click-and-drag movement of items on a desktop. Pushing the corner of the touchpad often causes the cursor to go off in some type of geriatric palsy twerk causing movement of items and other missed targets with the pointer. OMG I hated this keyboard within 5 minutes. Give me separate distinct left and right trackpad buttons to click and hold and do not affect the mouse pointer when pressed. I despise laptops using this design as well.
I purchased the K830 for the home theater and LOVE this keyboard. It is backlit, not too large, has good weigh and build quality, and has separate trackpad buttons!!!! I've had it for a few months and it has never gone dead. I recharged it after 3 months just in case. I say home theater loosely as I actually have a 2 channel tri-amped setup with Martin Logan Prodigy electrostats and a custom JBL 2242H Sub. The K830 controls the i5 based PC perfectly as I play FLAC and SACD 24/192 digital files through the Xonar Essence STX sound card DAC. This keyboard works well dragging files from a 2012R2 Xeon server to Foobar2000 playlists or running XBMC/Kodi Media player. I love the volume control buttons above the trackpad. Well done.
flimbs - Wednesday, June 17, 2015 - link
The K830 doesn't support four finger multi-touch, only two finger. Seems pretty ridiculous for Logitech's flagship keyboard when the older TK820 model did support it. It may be short sided to get it if your using it for windows use as Microsoft keeps hinting at more OSX clone gestures for Windows 10. That being said I'm also not a fan of the keyboard portion of the TK820.What's wrong with three finger drag? Everyone seems to hate it and praise the two buttons on the K830.. I think it's fair to say anyone not using tap to click is a ham-fisted simpleton.
berryjuice - Monday, July 20, 2015 - link
I just bought a new Logitech K830 and I noticed that there are 2 models: the old 920-006081 and newer 920-007182. The newer version support a different set of keys like the Back, Home, and Running apps keys of Android. It's also worth pointing out that the newer version supports Bluetooth.berryjuice - Monday, July 20, 2015 - link
The Back, Home, and Running Apps keys also work with Windows. They act as Back (like Alt+left arrow key), Home, and Running Programs (like pressing Alt+Tab). Technically, the newer K830 model can be used with a PC and Android (through Bluetooth or OTG cable + receiver). I haven't tested it with an iOS device.tourofrooms - Saturday, July 25, 2015 - link
There must be a huge mark-up because when some major retailers have a sale, ie: BestBuy the K830 sells for under $59. The K820's full retail price at my local BestBuy is $99, which is the same as the regular price of the K830. I think if review sites were to make an effective review that exploits all of the negative aspets of a a product, with the intent to that destroys the products credibility, pointing out just what a piece of crap it is, the ultimate reaction of alot of readers would be to avoid those models, and maybe even that brand, at all costs. What some of the higher premium of Logitech products DOES buy , based on my long term experience as a user, is excellent customer service when any of their products fail. They send out replacements without any resistence or contention. Of course I need to verify proof of purchase, but that's expected. They even allowed me to change/upgrade to a different mouse when my anywhere MX failed for the 3rd time from a mushy unresponsive button. I'm more apt to make compromises when I buy a product when I get good service after the sale but the keyboard is something that I will require quality to be good. Backlighting shoulg be automatic on any keyboard over $50 US Dollars, wired or wireless. What gets me sometimes is that one a feature on a previous model is well received, or highly regarded, why does the successor have to be DOWN-graded? I am referring to the way the k830's layout is so cramped and typing a letter or email is worst than the K820 due to the unappealing feel. Alot of keyboard with the same features can be bought for alot less than some of Logitech's offerings. I'm not hapy about the fact that Logitech has built many keyboards, and for great feel and quiet typing, I like the K800, size and layout, I like the K820, for the appearance the k810 and lastly, the options and touchpad with notebook like button that resemble the Lenovo thinkpads I like the K830. But Logitech doesn't know how to unify those more preferred elite features into 1 single keyboard.Instead, they give you only 1 or 2 things to satisfy and entice and I've had to endure those compromises that would otherwise make the keyboard I am using truly a great option. All keyboards, in order to qualify as top of the line offerings, should be backlit, with excellent key travel that is balanced, tried, and true, long battery life, flexiblility that allows a bluetooth or proprietary receiver. There is a way to achieve this but I still have not found many keyboards that meet ALL my requirements