Agreed. I have four different 4K monitors between work and home, and all of them have both DP and HDMI. And on all of them but one (a *VERY* early gen 4K display,) they support 4K/60 over HDMI. (The early one supports 4K/60 over DP, and 4K/30 over HDMI.)
If you're worried about frame-rate, HDMI 2.0 will handle 4k @60hz and that computer isn't capable of playing games at a higher frame-rate at that res. If you're worried about connectivity, Plugable makes a $20 adapter to go HDMI->DP @4k 60hz.
This is HDMI 2.0b, meaning it supports 4k60 HDR with HLG. So you should be fine with most 4k screens, just as long as they also have an HDMI connector (which just about all of them would!)
Sure, it can't do 4k120 - but if you need such high framerates, you wouldn't be getting such a weak CPU and iGPU in the first place.
A serial port for the rest of us! Good to see a standard from 60 years ago is still supported today. (Technically it doesn't support the *latest* version, which mandates a DB-25 connector, not DE-9M.)
Oh wow I didn't notice that until I read your comment. What an interesting inclusion. I use them a bunch but never expected to see a native one in 2020.
As a POS developer for the last 25 years or so, yes a lot of POS (Point of Sale) equipment use serial devices - from scanners, printers and other devices. A lot of changes but there is a lot of legacy equipment out there. Multiple Ethernet ports are important - to have a local network and global network - can be done with single Ethernet but better with multiple ports
Same here. A lot of our engineering/survey equipment still uses serial. Companies usually also don't update their equipment unless they absolutely have too because of how expensive they are.
According to there website it appears this that Gaming is not the intention of this box. There have another line but appears to be older lines of cpu - include a AMD version.
This appears to be aim at commercial market and the need for higher performance GPU is not a requirement.
DP never really did catch on as a widespread PC video interface so it isn't a big surprise to see it omitted on this system. It has been pretty clear for a while now that HDMI, despite the added cost, has become the industry standard. I don't think it will really add much to the per unit price of most products and it is nice to see a single consolidation around a single standard.
I have a NUC to the side of my 4k screen and I've been waiting for a LONG TIME for one of these devices to support the playback of 4k Ultra HD BD media.
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beisat - Friday, February 21, 2020 - link
Isn't only hdmi 2.0 output a bit limiting for using this as a regular desktop computer on a modern 4k screen? Why not put one hdmi and one dp port?CSMR - Friday, February 21, 2020 - link
Agreed. Who would be hooking this up to 2 TVs or 2 projectors? 2 monitors a far more common use case, where dp is better.ingwe - Friday, February 21, 2020 - link
Many (most?) monitors have HDMI inputs these days. Though I would rather have a DPCharonPDX - Friday, February 21, 2020 - link
Agreed. I have four different 4K monitors between work and home, and all of them have both DP and HDMI. And on all of them but one (a *VERY* early gen 4K display,) they support 4K/60 over HDMI. (The early one supports 4K/60 over DP, and 4K/30 over HDMI.)megadirk - Friday, February 21, 2020 - link
If you're worried about frame-rate, HDMI 2.0 will handle 4k @60hz and that computer isn't capable of playing games at a higher frame-rate at that res. If you're worried about connectivity, Plugable makes a $20 adapter to go HDMI->DP @4k 60hz.timecop1818 - Sunday, February 23, 2020 - link
Except native output of intel CPUs is DisplayPort, so you're basically wasting power converting DP to HDMI2 and back to DP.boeush - Friday, February 21, 2020 - link
This is HDMI 2.0b, meaning it supports 4k60 HDR with HLG. So you should be fine with most 4k screens, just as long as they also have an HDMI connector (which just about all of them would!)Sure, it can't do 4k120 - but if you need such high framerates, you wouldn't be getting such a weak CPU and iGPU in the first place.
GreenReaper - Friday, February 21, 2020 - link
A serial port for the rest of us! Good to see a standard from 60 years ago is still supported today. (Technically it doesn't support the *latest* version, which mandates a DB-25 connector, not DE-9M.)ingwe - Friday, February 21, 2020 - link
Oh wow I didn't notice that until I read your comment. What an interesting inclusion. I use them a bunch but never expected to see a native one in 2020.stephenbrooks - Friday, February 21, 2020 - link
I'm guessing a bunch of industrial/commercial equipment uses the RS232 interface, so they're not aiming at home users with this feature.MrEcho - Sunday, February 23, 2020 - link
yes... very much so, I still use serial to this day for some stuff.HStewart - Tuesday, February 25, 2020 - link
As a POS developer for the last 25 years or so, yes a lot of POS (Point of Sale) equipment use serial devices - from scanners, printers and other devices. A lot of changes but there is a lot of legacy equipment out there. Multiple Ethernet ports are important - to have a local network and global network - can be done with single Ethernet but better with multiple portsAdhesiveTeflon - Tuesday, February 25, 2020 - link
Same here. A lot of our engineering/survey equipment still uses serial. Companies usually also don't update their equipment unless they absolutely have too because of how expensive they are.erinadreno - Friday, February 21, 2020 - link
Lackluster wireless solution. Why the hell they are still using single antenna product in 2020psyclist80 - Friday, February 21, 2020 - link
Looking forward to the AMD variants to hit the market, 8 core and 7nm with a stronger GPU solutionHStewart - Tuesday, February 25, 2020 - link
According to there website it appears this that Gaming is not the intention of this box. There have another line but appears to be older lines of cpu - include a AMD version.This appears to be aim at commercial market and the need for higher performance GPU is not a requirement.
timecop1818 - Friday, February 21, 2020 - link
Two HDMI? Not a single Displayport, not even USB-C with DisplayPort altmode? Hard, hard pass.PeachNCream - Friday, February 21, 2020 - link
DP never really did catch on as a widespread PC video interface so it isn't a big surprise to see it omitted on this system. It has been pretty clear for a while now that HDMI, despite the added cost, has become the industry standard. I don't think it will really add much to the per unit price of most products and it is nice to see a single consolidation around a single standard.timecop1818 - Friday, February 21, 2020 - link
We must be living in different dimensions because I've never seen any professional monitor > 1080p connected with HDMI.damianrobertjones - Friday, February 21, 2020 - link
I have a NUC to the side of my 4k screen and I've been waiting for a LONG TIME for one of these devices to support the playback of 4k Ultra HD BD media.