I wonder, other than being overpriced like all tech, how the 620 performs compared to the HD 540 on the Surface Pro 4? Dolphin runs pretty darn well on the 540 so hopefully the 620, at least, provides the same or improved performance.
Yeah no. Barking up the wrong tree. Despite being a newer generation, the intel 540 is an iris part, with 48EUs and 64MB of cache. The 620 is only 24EUs with no cache.
Yep. I'm worried they're going to ditch the crystal well concept and eventually Iris will be eDRAM-less. It certainly seems to be moving in that direction. My Mac Mini has 128mb Iris cache and it's basically the difference between being able to run games on Steam and not being able to run games on Steam at native resolution. I know because I had a 2012 Mac Mini that was QUAD core (all the new ones are dual core only) and even with the best Ivy Bridge GPU it was crap compared to Haswell/Crystal Well's GPU, even if I lost 2 physical CPU cores.
that's going backwards, not forwards. Starting with skylake, all iris parts had EDRAM. 64MB on non pro parts.
I dont think intel will get ris of it on kaby lake. gigabyte has never used the 15 watt iris parts. Intel seems consistent in making them though. Would be nice to get some more laptops using them.
Had a BRIX once, up and died on me for some reason. Went to NUCs and haven't had any issues for years. If this truly has HDMI 2.0 it will be a good candidate as a Kodi box, as I believe only the NUC6i7KYK has HDMI 2.0
It's not a new thing for them to sell dual core i7s. Intel's mobile i-series chips have been getting branded as 5 & 7 since the branding was first introduced with Arrandale six or so years ago.
It doesn't work well for people who live largely in a desktop PC world to translate i5 and i7 over to their mobile and low-voltage counterparts, but this isn't a new problem. I don't agree with the branding either, but it has deep roots these days so it shouldn't come as s surprise.
The branding is fine, people need to consider desktop class CPUs range from Celerons to i7s, according to the advertised price per unit.
Likewise mobile class has their own CPUs which range from Celerons to i7s, according to the advertised price per unit.
It's no different than how Nvidia (used) to sell mobile graphics chips such as GTX 970Ms having completely different performance to desktop class GTX 970s. (Today the M branding is gone on GTX 1000 series mobile GPUs, and the gap between desktop class and mobile class has diminished greatly, but they are different SKUs... Just named differently.)
If you want annoying labeling, look no further than the GTX 1060 3GB vs GTX 1060 6GB. It's implied that the GPU is the same, and it is the same GP106, but in addition to a different amount of VRAM, the GTX 1060 3GB disables 10 stream processors, leading to an actually significant performance gap.
People need to just stop comparing desktop to mobile class products. They're different classes of products.
Different product stacks, quit comparing them. If you want to identify quad-cores on a mobile CPU, look for the Q suffix. If it doesn't have it, it's likely not a quad-core.
i7, i5, i3 refer to pricing segments, not absolute performance, so quit looking at them as an indicator of true performance and look at them rather as how much Intel charges for it.
i7 mobile is different from desktop i7. Desktop Nehalem i7 is a different generation from Desktop Skylake i7. I hear way too often from casual PC users that they got an "i7 under the hood and an blazing fast SSD" on their home PC, yet they still have a relatively slow Nehalem i7 and a SSD limited to SATA II 3.0 Gbps speeds, which is quite a bit slower than what a modern Skylake i5 6600k + PCIe-based NVMe M.2 SSD can offer.
The problem in general is that people keep using branding like i7, i5, i3, "SSD" as terms of "performance" when they're not being absolutely specific about what the technology represents. Intel solves this with the SKU labeling, but people are oblivious to that, and keep thinking that i7 means it's the absolute best-of-the-best processing power in the entire world. It's not. And it never meant that, nor did it ever imply that.
Intel's used prefixes and suffixes in the SKU labels since Nehalem, when they began to use i3, i5, i7 branding to refer to specifics of the processor package.
It's not misleading at all except for people who are ignorant and that is their issue.
Note to the ignorant: i7 just means best in that 'class' of chip so currently that means dual core only for 15W and under. Simple really. Take a deep breath and relax.
The branding is NOT fine... branding is a way to appeal to people expectations and even mislead them. If i3 , i5 and i7 mean nothing as you state then there's no reason for it to exist... it exist cause the i3, i5 and i7 represent something on people head and Intel wants to capitalize on that. Their goal is to make people think that an i7 mobile would be somewhat as good as a desktop i7, that's their only goal, mislead people... and it works plenty of people around me buy laptops with i7 thinking that would be MUCH better than an i5 or i3, when well the difference is minimal. Sure let's instruct everyone to forget the i3, i5 and i7 stuff and look to the SKU but that isn't what Intel wants otherwise no one would be buying (or less would) mobile i7 or even desktop i7.
nVidia does the same... marketing exists for a reason... and making you pay more for features you don't need or not really worth it is the number one goal of any marketing campaign.
>Their goal is to make people think that an i7 mobile would be somewhat as good as a desktop i7
No. It's not. Their goal is that they have a bunch of chips that range in performance and power usage, so their goal is to divide them into 5 product tiers in every generational leap.
Desktop's worst chip offerings are branded as Celerons, and the best are labeled as i7's. Notebook's worst chip offerings are branded as Celerons, and the best are labeled as i7's.
The i7's in the desktop class have always been different from the i7's in the Notebook class.
It's no different than having identical trim levels across different cars in your entire lineup of vehicles if you're a car salesman.
For Honda, they typically range from LX as the base trim, to Sport, Sport Premium, EX as their highest trim.
You can get a Honda Fit EX (think Honda Fit i7), which means it's the highest tier offering for the Honda Fit, but it's not really comparable to performance and features you might find on the Honda Accord EX. They're two different classes of cars. Same way desktop and mobile are two different classes of products meant for two different classes of computing solutions (mobile, light, power-optimized for battery longevity vs raw performance in a large desktop case, with high IPC for common single-threaded desktop applications).
Actually it would be more like the accord and fit both being called Honda xyz 123 vs Honda xyz 456. Except in this case higher numbers don't indicate higher performance except for within their own "tier". It is bad branding and the butthurt from the super informed here is ridiculous. An average consumer wouldn't know the difference and that's why Intel does it.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
i7, i5, i3 labels has no connection or reference to the amount of cores.
i7, i5, i3, pentium, and celeron are advertising labels used to refer to different tiers within the same product stack of a particular generation of hardware, and are simply incomparable to i7's, i5's, i3's, pentiums, and celerons in a different product stack. Likewise, it's important to note to never compare i7s, i5s, i3s between different hardware generations.
What you're doing is comparing standard desktop-class (possibly even unlocked "K" SKUs) i7s and i5s to ultra-low voltage "U" i7 mobile-class processor SKUs.
Here's what actually refers to the actual number of processor cores, the actual letters in the SKU label. Here's a chart:
Prefix G - Pentium/Celeron, rather than i#-series processor.
Suffix K - Unlocked Multiplier, when used with the proper overclocking motherboard chipset, on Desktop-class SKUs. Suffix S - Low Power, in terms of TDP Wattage, on Desktop-class SKUs. Suffix T - Very Low Power, in terms of TDP Wattage, on Desktop-class SKUs. Suffix X - Extreme edition, on Desktop-class SKUs. Suffix R - Iris Pro Graphics + BGA packaging, on Desktop-class SKUs. (Read: BGA processors are soldered to board) Suffix P - Lower class Graphics (HD510 as opposed to standard HD530, for example), on Desktop-class SKUs.
Suffix U - Very Low Power, in terms of TDP Wattage, on Mobile-class SKUs. Suffix Y - Ultra Low Power, in terms of TDP Wattage, on Mobile-class SKUs. Suffix Q - Quad core, on Mobile-class SKUs.
And there's way more. So how about an example: i7 6700HQ = Quadcore, because Q means quadcore. i7 6600U = Does not have a Q, and the U implies low power, so it's definitely not a quad-core.
Both are still in the same segment of i7 pricing, as opposed to i5 pricing. So an i5 6300HQ does have 4 cores and it's cheaper than an i7 6600U, but the i7 6600U has the nearly the same core speeds of 2.3Ghz base and 3.4Ghz turbo for the i7 and 3.2Ghz turbo for the i5, but the i5 has a TDP of 45W compared to the i7's paltry 15W.
There are a _number_ of reasons why certain processors are i7s and others are i5s, but don't go around comparing i5s and i7s from different generations and or desktop vs mobile vs embedded comparisons, it just makes you look stupid.
You just don't understand branding/marketing so your hatred is really self hatred due to your ignorance and ego projected outward which is a common form of delusion. The best medicine is to meditate.
>I don't understand branding >I'm explaining Intel's branding which apparently doesn't make sense to you. >Somehow I'm the one full of hatred and I don't understand hatred.
Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black. I'd advise you to reread the comment and educate yourself before engaging in a discussion which you know nothing about.
I'm really looking forward for them to be available. I was planning to get a NUC6I5SYK to start playing with ESXi and VMs at home but seeing how these sports Kaby Lake CPUs, I guess I will wait a few weeks. Can't wait to see some real reviews though.
The implication was "not yet" as opposed to "not ever" with respect to Kaby Lake Iris parts.
I'm disappointed in the lack of Iris parts available on the market, but that disappointment comes with caveats. People often use Iris as a justification for NV and AMD not producing low-end, single slot GPUs since such cards wouldn't compete with Iris. Though Iris is competitive, there aren't enough of them at enough price brackets to meaningfully replace low end GPUs AND that lack of low end GPU products forces consumers with older CPUs and lower end iGPUs to buy higher end graphics cards than they want or need (with knock-on effects of possibly buying a more expensive/larger power supply to support it). It gives the mid- to high- end GPU market a boost in sales numbers and artifically creates demand for higher end cards making the gaming industry look more vibrant and active than it really is due to all these sales...sales that only exist because consumers have no other alternative. Eventually, consumers won't want to absorb the cost and exit the PC gaming market. That's what happened to me over the past few years as product stacks and costs rise above what I'm interested in paying just to kill time. These days, I'm back to catching pokemon on my DS Lite because PC gaming isn't fun and costs too much, even for someone that's comfortably middle class. Thanks for that, Intel (AMD too for those R7 iGPUs, but at least you can buy them if you were so inclined). I'd offer to let Intel kick my puppy and pee in my cereal too if I had a dog or a bowl of cereal.
Besides that, the other problem with Iris is cooling. There's a lot of hot running transistors to cool with an Iris part and they tend to run at higher temps than I'm comfy with seeing. The recent Skylake Skull-thing NUC review here on AT made it clear that things get toasty when an Iris part is under load. I think cramming Iris into a NUC form factor means special attention has to be given to cooling and even Intel has proven with the last skull NUC that they're as incapable of doing that as the rest of the industry.
I have one of the Skull Canyon NUCs. The most intensive gaming I do on it is Guild Wars 2 and heavily-modded Minecraft. Yes, the fan is definitely noticeable when playing that, and some pretty hot air comes out the back, but the fan noise--and I am obsessive about noise--is not actually bad if you've got sound on, and I can play for hours without the system throttling.
I still have my core i3 BRIX Projector. Fun little PC the kids love bringing it outside to the patio or up to their room to watch movies with friends. Obviously with it was a better than 480p projector but it works great up to 100"
It's those niche pc's that gigabyte and shuttle design that make them relevant. Something like these don't even register on my radar. If I'm looking for a barebones no frills NUC I'm buying an Intel NUC.
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damianrobertjones - Wednesday, October 12, 2016 - link
I wonder, other than being overpriced like all tech, how the 620 performs compared to the HD 540 on the Surface Pro 4? Dolphin runs pretty darn well on the 540 so hopefully the 620, at least, provides the same or improved performance.TheinsanegamerN - Wednesday, October 12, 2016 - link
Yeah no. Barking up the wrong tree. Despite being a newer generation, the intel 540 is an iris part, with 48EUs and 64MB of cache. The 620 is only 24EUs with no cache.Samus - Thursday, October 13, 2016 - link
Yep. I'm worried they're going to ditch the crystal well concept and eventually Iris will be eDRAM-less. It certainly seems to be moving in that direction. My Mac Mini has 128mb Iris cache and it's basically the difference between being able to run games on Steam and not being able to run games on Steam at native resolution. I know because I had a 2012 Mac Mini that was QUAD core (all the new ones are dual core only) and even with the best Ivy Bridge GPU it was crap compared to Haswell/Crystal Well's GPU, even if I lost 2 physical CPU cores.Death666Angel - Thursday, October 13, 2016 - link
"eventually Iris will be eDRAM-less" Aren't there already Iris SKUs which are EDRAM-less? Like The 5100?TheinsanegamerN - Thursday, October 13, 2016 - link
that's going backwards, not forwards. Starting with skylake, all iris parts had EDRAM. 64MB on non pro parts.I dont think intel will get ris of it on kaby lake. gigabyte has never used the 15 watt iris parts. Intel seems consistent in making them though. Would be nice to get some more laptops using them.
damianrobertjones - Thursday, October 13, 2016 - link
Yes, I know the specs but UNTIL the benchmarks appear we do not know. Plus the Surface is a thin chassis while the Brix...briand095 - Wednesday, October 12, 2016 - link
Had a BRIX once, up and died on me for some reason. Went to NUCs and haven't had any issues for years. If this truly has HDMI 2.0 it will be a good candidate as a Kodi box, as I believe only the NUC6i7KYK has HDMI 2.0XZerg - Wednesday, October 12, 2016 - link
I believe the dimensions are switched as the without 2.5" is taller than with 2.5".Amoro - Wednesday, October 12, 2016 - link
I hate how they call them i7's and i5's but they're all dual-core.BrokenCrayons - Wednesday, October 12, 2016 - link
It's not a new thing for them to sell dual core i7s. Intel's mobile i-series chips have been getting branded as 5 & 7 since the branding was first introduced with Arrandale six or so years ago.http://ark.intel.com/products/49666/Intel-Core-i7-...
It doesn't work well for people who live largely in a desktop PC world to translate i5 and i7 over to their mobile and low-voltage counterparts, but this isn't a new problem. I don't agree with the branding either, but it has deep roots these days so it shouldn't come as s surprise.
JoeyJoJo123 - Wednesday, October 12, 2016 - link
The branding is fine, people need to consider desktop class CPUs range from Celerons to i7s, according to the advertised price per unit.Likewise mobile class has their own CPUs which range from Celerons to i7s, according to the advertised price per unit.
It's no different than how Nvidia (used) to sell mobile graphics chips such as GTX 970Ms having completely different performance to desktop class GTX 970s. (Today the M branding is gone on GTX 1000 series mobile GPUs, and the gap between desktop class and mobile class has diminished greatly, but they are different SKUs... Just named differently.)
If you want annoying labeling, look no further than the GTX 1060 3GB vs GTX 1060 6GB. It's implied that the GPU is the same, and it is the same GP106, but in addition to a different amount of VRAM, the GTX 1060 3GB disables 10 stream processors, leading to an actually significant performance gap.
People need to just stop comparing desktop to mobile class products. They're different classes of products.
niva - Wednesday, October 12, 2016 - link
Is the a single CPU core of the desktop i7 equivalent to a laptop i7 and as access to the equivalent cache/etc?If not, then the label is misleading and bad.
Just because they do it, and have done it for a while, doesn't make it right.
JoeyJoJo123 - Wednesday, October 12, 2016 - link
Different product stacks, quit comparing them. If you want to identify quad-cores on a mobile CPU, look for the Q suffix. If it doesn't have it, it's likely not a quad-core.i7, i5, i3 refer to pricing segments, not absolute performance, so quit looking at them as an indicator of true performance and look at them rather as how much Intel charges for it.
i7 mobile is different from desktop i7. Desktop Nehalem i7 is a different generation from Desktop Skylake i7. I hear way too often from casual PC users that they got an "i7 under the hood and an blazing fast SSD" on their home PC, yet they still have a relatively slow Nehalem i7 and a SSD limited to SATA II 3.0 Gbps speeds, which is quite a bit slower than what a modern Skylake i5 6600k + PCIe-based NVMe M.2 SSD can offer.
The problem in general is that people keep using branding like i7, i5, i3, "SSD" as terms of "performance" when they're not being absolutely specific about what the technology represents. Intel solves this with the SKU labeling, but people are oblivious to that, and keep thinking that i7 means it's the absolute best-of-the-best processing power in the entire world. It's not. And it never meant that, nor did it ever imply that.
Intel's used prefixes and suffixes in the SKU labels since Nehalem, when they began to use i3, i5, i7 branding to refer to specifics of the processor package.
smilingcrow - Wednesday, October 12, 2016 - link
It's not misleading at all except for people who are ignorant and that is their issue.Note to the ignorant: i7 just means best in that 'class' of chip so currently that means dual core only for 15W and under. Simple really. Take a deep breath and relax.
Strunf - Thursday, October 13, 2016 - link
The branding is NOT fine... branding is a way to appeal to people expectations and even mislead them. If i3 , i5 and i7 mean nothing as you state then there's no reason for it to exist... it exist cause the i3, i5 and i7 represent something on people head and Intel wants to capitalize on that. Their goal is to make people think that an i7 mobile would be somewhat as good as a desktop i7, that's their only goal, mislead people... and it works plenty of people around me buy laptops with i7 thinking that would be MUCH better than an i5 or i3, when well the difference is minimal. Sure let's instruct everyone to forget the i3, i5 and i7 stuff and look to the SKU but that isn't what Intel wants otherwise no one would be buying (or less would) mobile i7 or even desktop i7.nVidia does the same... marketing exists for a reason... and making you pay more for features you don't need or not really worth it is the number one goal of any marketing campaign.
JoeyJoJo123 - Thursday, October 13, 2016 - link
>Their goal is to make people think that an i7 mobile would be somewhat as good as a desktop i7No. It's not. Their goal is that they have a bunch of chips that range in performance and power usage, so their goal is to divide them into 5 product tiers in every generational leap.
Desktop's worst chip offerings are branded as Celerons, and the best are labeled as i7's.
Notebook's worst chip offerings are branded as Celerons, and the best are labeled as i7's.
The i7's in the desktop class have always been different from the i7's in the Notebook class.
It's no different than having identical trim levels across different cars in your entire lineup of vehicles if you're a car salesman.
For Honda, they typically range from LX as the base trim, to Sport, Sport Premium, EX as their highest trim.
You can get a Honda Fit EX (think Honda Fit i7), which means it's the highest tier offering for the Honda Fit, but it's not really comparable to performance and features you might find on the Honda Accord EX. They're two different classes of cars. Same way desktop and mobile are two different classes of products meant for two different classes of computing solutions (mobile, light, power-optimized for battery longevity vs raw performance in a large desktop case, with high IPC for common single-threaded desktop applications).
fanofanand - Thursday, October 13, 2016 - link
Actually it would be more like the accord and fit both being called Honda xyz 123 vs Honda xyz 456. Except in this case higher numbers don't indicate higher performance except for within their own "tier". It is bad branding and the butthurt from the super informed here is ridiculous. An average consumer wouldn't know the difference and that's why Intel does it.JoeyJoJo123 - Wednesday, October 12, 2016 - link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2SkYou keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
i7, i5, i3 labels has no connection or reference to the amount of cores.
i7, i5, i3, pentium, and celeron are advertising labels used to refer to different tiers within the same product stack of a particular generation of hardware, and are simply incomparable to i7's, i5's, i3's, pentiums, and celerons in a different product stack. Likewise, it's important to note to never compare i7s, i5s, i3s between different hardware generations.
What you're doing is comparing standard desktop-class (possibly even unlocked "K" SKUs) i7s and i5s to ultra-low voltage "U" i7 mobile-class processor SKUs.
Here's what actually refers to the actual number of processor cores, the actual letters in the SKU label. Here's a chart:
Prefix G - Pentium/Celeron, rather than i#-series processor.
Suffix K - Unlocked Multiplier, when used with the proper overclocking motherboard chipset, on Desktop-class SKUs.
Suffix S - Low Power, in terms of TDP Wattage, on Desktop-class SKUs.
Suffix T - Very Low Power, in terms of TDP Wattage, on Desktop-class SKUs.
Suffix X - Extreme edition, on Desktop-class SKUs.
Suffix R - Iris Pro Graphics + BGA packaging, on Desktop-class SKUs. (Read: BGA processors are soldered to board)
Suffix P - Lower class Graphics (HD510 as opposed to standard HD530, for example), on Desktop-class SKUs.
Suffix U - Very Low Power, in terms of TDP Wattage, on Mobile-class SKUs.
Suffix Y - Ultra Low Power, in terms of TDP Wattage, on Mobile-class SKUs.
Suffix Q - Quad core, on Mobile-class SKUs.
And there's way more. So how about an example:
i7 6700HQ = Quadcore, because Q means quadcore.
i7 6600U = Does not have a Q, and the U implies low power, so it's definitely not a quad-core.
Both are still in the same segment of i7 pricing, as opposed to i5 pricing. So an i5 6300HQ does have 4 cores and it's cheaper than an i7 6600U, but the i7 6600U has the nearly the same core speeds of 2.3Ghz base and 3.4Ghz turbo for the i7 and 3.2Ghz turbo for the i5, but the i5 has a TDP of 45W compared to the i7's paltry 15W.
There are a _number_ of reasons why certain processors are i7s and others are i5s, but don't go around comparing i5s and i7s from different generations and or desktop vs mobile vs embedded comparisons, it just makes you look stupid.
smilingcrow - Wednesday, October 12, 2016 - link
You just don't understand branding/marketing so your hatred is really self hatred due to your ignorance and ego projected outward which is a common form of delusion.The best medicine is to meditate.
JoeyJoJo123 - Thursday, October 13, 2016 - link
>I don't understand branding>I'm explaining Intel's branding which apparently doesn't make sense to you.
>Somehow I'm the one full of hatred and I don't understand hatred.
Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black. I'd advise you to reread the comment and educate yourself before engaging in a discussion which you know nothing about.
asktoomuch - Wednesday, October 12, 2016 - link
I'm really looking forward for them to be available. I was planning to get a NUC6I5SYK to start playing with ESXi and VMs at home but seeing how these sports Kaby Lake CPUs, I guess I will wait a few weeks. Can't wait to see some real reviews though.TheinsanegamerN - Wednesday, October 12, 2016 - link
and sadly, no iris parts. Only intel's own NUCs seem to get it right.esterhasz - Thursday, October 13, 2016 - link
The Kaby Lakes with Iris are not out yet and Intel is not selling a KL NUC with Iris graphics.TheinsanegamerN - Thursday, October 13, 2016 - link
and how do you know intel will not make an iris NUC with kaby lake? They have dont so with every previous generation.BrokenCrayons - Thursday, October 13, 2016 - link
The implication was "not yet" as opposed to "not ever" with respect to Kaby Lake Iris parts.I'm disappointed in the lack of Iris parts available on the market, but that disappointment comes with caveats. People often use Iris as a justification for NV and AMD not producing low-end, single slot GPUs since such cards wouldn't compete with Iris. Though Iris is competitive, there aren't enough of them at enough price brackets to meaningfully replace low end GPUs AND that lack of low end GPU products forces consumers with older CPUs and lower end iGPUs to buy higher end graphics cards than they want or need (with knock-on effects of possibly buying a more expensive/larger power supply to support it). It gives the mid- to high- end GPU market a boost in sales numbers and artifically creates demand for higher end cards making the gaming industry look more vibrant and active than it really is due to all these sales...sales that only exist because consumers have no other alternative. Eventually, consumers won't want to absorb the cost and exit the PC gaming market. That's what happened to me over the past few years as product stacks and costs rise above what I'm interested in paying just to kill time. These days, I'm back to catching pokemon on my DS Lite because PC gaming isn't fun and costs too much, even for someone that's comfortably middle class. Thanks for that, Intel (AMD too for those R7 iGPUs, but at least you can buy them if you were so inclined). I'd offer to let Intel kick my puppy and pee in my cereal too if I had a dog or a bowl of cereal.
Besides that, the other problem with Iris is cooling. There's a lot of hot running transistors to cool with an Iris part and they tend to run at higher temps than I'm comfy with seeing. The recent Skylake Skull-thing NUC review here on AT made it clear that things get toasty when an Iris part is under load. I think cramming Iris into a NUC form factor means special attention has to be given to cooling and even Intel has proven with the last skull NUC that they're as incapable of doing that as the rest of the industry.
1_rick - Thursday, October 13, 2016 - link
I have one of the Skull Canyon NUCs. The most intensive gaming I do on it is Guild Wars 2 and heavily-modded Minecraft. Yes, the fan is definitely noticeable when playing that, and some pretty hot air comes out the back, but the fan noise--and I am obsessive about noise--is not actually bad if you've got sound on, and I can play for hours without the system throttling.vdidenko - Wednesday, October 12, 2016 - link
Size vs. volume data makes little sense. How come taller box has lesser volume given same foorprint?Samus - Thursday, October 13, 2016 - link
I still have my core i3 BRIX Projector. Fun little PC the kids love bringing it outside to the patio or up to their room to watch movies with friends. Obviously with it was a better than 480p projector but it works great up to 100"It's those niche pc's that gigabyte and shuttle design that make them relevant. Something like these don't even register on my radar. If I'm looking for a barebones no frills NUC I'm buying an Intel NUC.